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We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clintons' Don't: It Is Over.

by NJPolitico84, Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:40:17 AM EST

This thing is over, and the sooner the Clintons realize it the better the Democrats AND the country will be. The Sunday Telegraph reports the following:

"A senior Democrat strategist, familiar with discussions at the highest levels of the Obama camp, has revealed that Mr Obama is now confident of the support of around 120 of the remaining 260 undeclared superdelegates.

His aides believe he will only need between 70 and 80 to be sure of the nomination if he wins the Oregon, Montana and South Dakota primaries as expected after this month."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/1943910/Barack-Obama-'has-enough-super-delegates-to-win-Democratic-nomination'.html

Why doesn't she get it? Is it pride? Is it denial? Is it anger? She has every right to go out there and run her race to the end. She's a fighter and deserves to go out with honor. However, she is not doing that. She is out there demanding debates, hitting Obama with the same attacks on health care, and bringing the race issue back to the front page whether she meant it or not.

She is hurting us. The further she goes on, the more alienated her supporters become from the Party.

We need to rally around Barack. Enough is enough, and it is time for a change.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Super delegates, Nomination (all tags)

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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (2.00 / 1)

she is going out on a high note, why drop out before WV and KY? those will be huge wins

until May 20th, nothing really changes, she is free to act like its still a race,

but the Obama campaign has moved on to the GE.

Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."

by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:43:46 AM EST

Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (none / 0)

How is stating that "hard working Americans, white Americans" will not vote for Obama going out on a high note?

Her statement implies that a) blacks are lazy and b) white Americans are racist. She's said a lot of dumb things in this campaign, but in her desperation, she's now outdone herself.

She's going out in disgrace and shame. Really quite sad.

by vermontprog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:15:58 AM EST
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You speak for yourself.. (none / 0)

Not for 'us'

Clinton is so incredibly loce to Obama in popular votes, one has to wonder, WHY and HOW could the MSM possibly think its so 'decided'?

Its not.

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:16:55 AM EST
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Re: You speak for yourself.. (2.00 / 1)

oh, why didn't you tell us this was your FIRST primary.

ok in the democratic primary we decide the winner based on delegates, Hillary winning the pop vote is an argument she wants to use to sway supers, but 1) its not promised to sway all of them, as many have said they will go with the delegate leader.

also when did I say I spoke for anyone? did I say I was speaking for HRC supporters? you are free to believe she will win. thats fine.

but don't expect the rest of us to play along, those of us who have been through more then 1 election and primary have seen these events before we understand what will happen. the MSM has covered elections for years, what contacts do you have in the HRC campaign? can you get Howard Ickes on the phone right now?

once again you don't want to believe its over? thats fine, but stop getting pissed at us because we won't play along. if she is so sure she will win, then let us make fools of ourselves and feel free to yell I told you so when she gets the nomination.

Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."

by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:29:50 AM EST
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Its not over yet.. Sorry, Charlie... (none / 0)

And the jumping at the gun by the Obama campaign makes me wonder if there is something they are trying to hide.

In any case, it does nobody any good to try to imply that "its over" when it really isn't yet.

Obama's 'lead' in the popular vote is TINY. And when you consider that he's outspent Hillary 4-1 and lost in so many places, it doesn't look like a lead at al to me.

Popular votes - votes of Democrats, are the measure that matters to most to me.

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:30:10 PM EST
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Re: You speak for yourself.. (2.00 / 1)

So as Dianne Feinstein asked of Clinton in a

letter, I will ask of you.

What is the winning strategy?

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:33:25 AM EST
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Re: You speak for yourself.. (none / 0)

D. Feinstein is a warmonger that makes money from war dead, i.e. Defence industry.

and hey, she's buddies with Hayden! remember that? or is that in the rabbit hole? with the rest of america's hope

"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?

by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:20:43 AM EST
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Re: You speak for yourself.. (2.00 / 1)

warmonger or not..she's a super and like the rest of the country of sound mind, she wants to know what her strategy is to win this thing.

Perfectly logical question.

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:32:25 AM EST
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Funny how they always attack the speaker... (none / 0)

when they have nothing to say..

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:30:56 PM EST
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Re: Funny how they always attack the speaker... (none / 0)

Di Fi is stealth, a repuc for further war. I mean that's what pays her bills.

get it? a DINO

"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?

by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:02:53 PM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (none / 0)

I think it is blind ambition. Clinton wants the Presidency so badly that she will only admit defeat once there is a 0.00% chance that she can win. That kind of attitude says a lot about her lack of commitment to the Party.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:43:52 AM EST

Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (2.00 / 1)

I think you are wrong. Her campaign knows it over, watch any of their top surrogates speak, or anyone with connections and you can see it, Hillary knows its over. and even if not, the supers do and they are letting her go out the way she wants, she earned it.

WV and KY will be big wins for her then she can go out on a high note. but I mean the almost COMPLETE message change? except for her 'white' comment she has all but stopped the negative contrasts of Obama, she knows he is the nominee and the supers do too, they won't allow her to tear him down anymore.

have you seen any negative ads or mailers anymore?

that right there should tell you something.

Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."

by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:50:05 AM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (2.00 / 1)

I hope you are right.

At this point, I just don't trust Hillary Clinton to do what is right for the Party. It wouldn't surprise me if she took her case to the convention.

I think we will know more after her win in WV. If she gives a 'thank you to all my supporters' acceptance speech instead of a 'full steam ahead to the white house' speech then that would make me feel a little better about her understanding of the situation.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:02:17 AM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (2.00 / 1)

well thats why we have supers, they will let her go out how she wants, but if she tries to hurt Obama they will shut down the primary in a second.

give her time.

Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."

by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:31:35 AM EST
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Laugh... (none / 0)

Oh, and of course YOU are all so worthy of trust!?

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:31:47 PM EST
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There's so much political ignorance here... (2.00 / 1)

People like you just don't get it. Clinton has incredible leverage right now. Were she simply to concede and go "quietly into the night", she would have zero power.

She's not hurting anyone. He could stop this in a moment by confabing with her to find out what she wants in the end.

For all the chattering about "this race is over" and what not, this is still essentially a 50-50 election process. She has half the support of actual people who vote, vs. opportunistic bandwagon super delegates looking for some favor.

She wields a tremendous amount of influence right now, and Obama's camp should be courting her camp to find out exactly what she'd like for her efforts. She deserves no less.

So, get a clue about politics. Once her future is secure, she'll bow out. If Obama's people aren't smart enough to realize that, he doesn't deserve to be the nominee.

The same would be true in reverse. Were she the one with the sure path to the nomination and he still controlled virtually 50 percent of the delegates, her side would have to go to him to make nice and make arrangements.

Plus, she's set to cream him in WV and Kentucky, and possibly PR.

One last thing: Her supporters ARE the party, and for arrogant clods who pretend otherwise, the party WILL lose in November. No one is hijacking the Democratic party, dude. Not you, not any Obama supporter. You want to talk about alienating? For you to convince the core of her supporters (aka people like ME) to actually come out and vote for Obama (and not against him!), that kind of crap talk better stop...IMMEDIATELY.

by DaTruth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:52:01 AM EST

Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (2.00 / 1)

you started strong but then.

this

So, get a clue about politics

does not fit with this

She has half the support of actual people who vote, vs. opportunistic bandwagon super delegates looking for some favor.

where the heck did Obama find 15 million superdelegates?

One last thing: Her supporters ARE the party, and for arrogant clods who pretend otherwise, the party WILL lose in November. No one is hijacking the Democratic party, dude. Not you, not any Obama supporter.

once again the 15 million who voted for Obama are?

Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."

by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:56:33 AM EST
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Come on, you're smarter than that... (none / 0)

You know what I'm saying, but let me make it simpler. The implication by many here is that somehow her supporters are not part and parcel of the Democratic party in 2008. However, I think if a real breakout of actual DEMOCRATIC votes were made, you'd find she polled better than he did with registered Democrats. If she didn't, it was within a hair's breadth.

I never said his supporters were not the party, so don't even foolishly go there. What I am saying is that her supporters are NO LESS part of the party, and this b.s. smack talk is going to drive them (and me) to either stay home, or worse, on election day. So, be advised. He needs her supporters to win in November, period. The same would be true if she were to be the nominee and he was, for all intents and purposes, a 50-percent runnerup.

No one said anything about 15 million super delegates. I can't believe I have to address that, but the point is that in actual vote tallies, it's pretty much a 50-50 split. The supers are deciding the nomination now. And, as far as their motivations go, who knows? But they are, in the end, politicians, and politicians are going to want to be "in good" with the power structures-that-be.

So, your analysis of my post didn't really start or finish strong, but I hope you now comprehend, lol.

by DaTruth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:17 AM EST
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EXCUSE ME? (2.00 / 3)

HER supporters ARE the party?
I'm a proud, working class WHITE American and I am a PROUD Democrat and I am NOT a supporter of HRC. Her supporters ARE NOT the party. They are part of the party. Barack Obama's too. As are John Edwards', Dennis Kucinich's, Bill Richardson's, Joe Biden's, Chris Dodd's, and even Mike Gravel's.

Your claim that HER supporters ARE the party is arrogance.

And if you and people like you ARE the party (as you claim), how could you EVER vote against the Democrat?

by NJPolitico84 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:57:41 AM EST
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Re: EXCUSE ME? (none / 0)

Ok, let me make it simple for you, given that you're from Jersey, lol.

My statement that her supporters are the party is exactly that. They are no less the Democratic party than Obama supporters are. What part of that do you not understand? Did you hear me say Obama supporters were NOT the party? Can you point to that?

Again, get a clue. You're embarrassing yourself.

And as for who I would vote for in a GE, I would never, ever vote party line as a matter of course. I want the best governance, as all Americans should. Are you really going to tell me that you're proud of Jim McGreevy? Should I be proud of Eliot Spitzer here in NY? Both of these individuals did great harm to their own state's party. But hey, they were Democrats, so better them than anyone else, right?

Barack Obama is being portrayed as this great unifier. Ok, fine. But, using your own logic against you (and I love doing that), aren't you then saying that true Republicans would be foolish and traitorous to vote for him over McCain in the fall? To put a witty spin on a current marketing slogan, "Yes, you are!". I mean, how could true Republicans vote for the Democrat and still call themselves Republicans? So much for that argument. You need to stop drinking that Raritan River water.

Stew on that one for awhile, while I enjoy my weekend, heheh. DaTruth strikes again!

by DaTruth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:28:55 AM EST
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It would be funny if they weren't so annoying (none / 0)

...

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:33:47 PM EST
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Hmmm... (none / 0)

What is one meant to imply when you make a statement claiming that her supporters ARE the party? It is logical to assume that you look down upon the other members of the party that did not support here.

I'd think you'd not insult NJ so much, since the establishment in NJ is all VERY MUCH behind Hillary. Jon Corzine and Robert Menendez have been some of her BIGGEST supporters.

But, I'll consider your tirade as somewhere between the 1st and 2nd stages of grief just as I said about Jerome's post the other day.

by NJPolitico84 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:39:20 PM EST
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Re: EXCUSE ME? (none / 0)

i agree, repucs vote the party line, not dems

"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?

by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:08:06 PM EST
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Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (2.00 / 1)

When the 2 candidates make a deal to end it we won't know about it. There has possibly already been discussions and for all we know something has already been decided - maybe that's why Obama is looking so calm and confident. Just speculating but what if she said she'll drop after she gets her big wins in WV and KY so she can save face?

by Becky G on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:58:34 AM EST
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Information warfare... (none / 0)

Boy, are they good at it.

Are you fooled?

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:34:41 PM EST
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Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (2.00 / 1)

A real self-less leader that Hillary Clinton. She is only staying in the race to get what she wants. Who cares if it hurts the party or not? As long as Hillary is taken care of we should all be happy.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:05:05 AM EST
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Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (none / 0)

nice ad lib, i really know what HRC wants!

"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?

by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:13:11 PM EST
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Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (2.00 / 1)

"He could stop this in a moment by confabing with her to find out what she wants in the end. "

Well, I believe what she wants is for Obama to lose in November, so that she has a chance at 2012.

So I don't think that leaves Obama and his supporters much leeway for negotiation.

Perhaps if he made her his VP and agreed to bow out due to fictional health problems in 2011. Is this the sort of thing you demand from Obama before he gets your vote in November?

by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:11:38 AM EST
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She's more likely to get a "bow out... (none / 0)

... in 2011" promise from McCain.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:37:14 AM EST
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Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (none / 0)

"Well, I believe" to ignore the last 30 years in politics...

"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?

by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:15:06 PM EST
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HEALTHCARE FOR ALL, NOW (none / 0)

But Obama will never do it. He can't.

His supporters would kill him after all the money they have given him to STOP it.

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:18:37 AM EST
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Because they are part of the US (none / 0)

And Puerto Rico will be a state, I am sure, soon.

How did it happen that Puerto Rico's citizen's votes do not count? What did they DO to deserve that?

Does it apply to everyone, or just criminals?

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:53:04 PM EST
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Re: There's so much political ignorance here... (none / 0)

but I would think in 2003 - 2008 , Canadians opinions matter more!

"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?

by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:11:09 PM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (2.00 / 2)

This diary is a cliche and is stupid.

by polson on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:56:56 AM EST

Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (none / 0)

Except it is based on the revelation that Obama feels he has the private backing of 120 of the remaining uncommitted Super delegates.

Which, would put him (using his numbers) 40 delegates away from the nomination.

Cliche? No.
Reality? Yes.

by NJPolitico84 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:59:41 AM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (none / 0)

LOL -- yeah, he'll also need to get 40 (or less, if he does better among the SDs than that) pledged delegates in the remaining 6 primaries out of the total of 217 pledged delegates there.

by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:16:32 AM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (none / 0)

Ah, sorry, it turns out we agree, I misunderstood your meaning.

by Aris Katsaris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:17:36 AM EST
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Re: We Know It, The World Knows It, But The Clinto (none / 0)

It's all good! :)

by NJPolitico84 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:20:50 AM EST
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